23 April 2004
Submitted by eve on Fri, 04/23/2004 - 9:17am. Funny
"We'll get going as soon as the rain lets up. *pause* Well, it sure is raining here. *pause* I'm in... *looking around* ...Memphis. I'm in Memphis?"
--A man in a pilot's uniform, talking on a cell phone, at MEM
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Posted by Kris the Girl on Tue, 05/04/2004 - 7:37am.
I never said they were stupid situations. =oP
I really like history, actually--I just am not familiar with more than a skance overview of the particular part in history you're all discussing. That is all.
Posted by Kris the Girl on Sat, 05/01/2004 - 8:24am.
Ignorance is bliss...for instance, I still have no idea what you all are talking about. But you can rest assured that I'll be better prepared to discuss...uh...Macedonian history...the next time it comes up in, say, music theory.
I wonder if anyone has ever quoted Inpassing for a school paper. That would be cool.
Candy bars and a very weird talent
Posted by Intelligirly on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 9:03am.
Bizarrely, for someone such as myself who doesn't really eat candy bars, other than the occasional mini-twix or KitKat, I did very well on that little quiz. I got all of them except the Mars bar and the Smarties, which I mistook for mmm's.

I love Mike!
I miss candy
Posted by Cebu on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 10:22am.
I did pretty good on the first page, but the second page had a lot of candy that they don't sell here and I've never seen. Except for Coffee Crisp of course, seen that enough.

All in all it bummed me out because I don't eat those things anymore.
Posted by daen on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 6:26am.
It can't rain all the time...
Posted by tim on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 6:40am.
you should see april in new england...
Hi daenykins
--" The torture never stops"--
I'm getting a flashback to th
Posted by Larry Hosken on Thu, 04/29/2004 - 12:25pm.
I'm getting a flashback to that scene in "Mystery Train" in which the nice lady is at the airport yelling "Memphiiiis!" into the telephone.
Posted by hypoxic on Thu, 04/29/2004 - 12:09pm.
He forgot to take that last left at Albaqurque.
Posted by Saint on Fri, 05/07/2004 - 10:05am.
I'm going to assume, for the sake of my sanity, that your spelling of Albuquerque is supposed to reflect Bugs's accent...I'd probably go with "Albacorky" myself.
Posted by tim on Thu, 04/29/2004 - 10:47am.
"Did I forget..forget to mention memphis . Home of Elvis and the ancient greeks"
I miss the Talking Heads
--" The torture never stops"--
Put away that gun This part
Posted by Social Neanderthal on Thu, 04/29/2004 - 12:54pm.
Put away that gun
This part is simple
Try to recognize
What is in you mind
God help us!
Help us loose our minds
These slippery people
help us understand

David Byrne has great lyrics, the man is either a genius, insane, or both. And based on an article I read about him lately, a lot of people miss Talking Heads and good ol' Dave just tries to diplomatically let them know he's been around and making music for the last 15 years, thank you very much.

I'll bet the man in the big suit could do a great song about a pilot lost in Memphis.
Yes, but...
Posted by paul on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 4:58am.
...by the same token Paul McCartney has kept making music post-Beatles, and I don't think one can really compare his solo work to the Beatles. For that matter, Paul Simon solo was just not the same as his work with Art Garfunkel. And I'm sure you can think of lots of other instances.

David Byrne was the driving force behind the Talking Heads, but he was not the Talking Heads by himself- the rest of them had input, and it showed. So while I'm glad that he's still making music, I might point out that so is David Lee Roth...

paul is not our savior.
paul is known as 'silk' to all who know and love him.
paul is a past master at floating progressive.
paul is that man.
Posted by Matt on Thu, 04/29/2004 - 10:13pm.
Or a song about walking in Memphis.

Oh, wait. That's already been done, hasn't it?

And not particularly well, to boot.
Posted by steff on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 12:07am.
walking in memphis has been sung by so many different people, if you can't find one you like you're not trying hard enough. it's a wonderful song.


besides, i wanted to share. hee.
Posted by Matt on Thu, 04/29/2004 - 11:42am.
Not to put down David Byrne or anything, but I'm pretty sure Memphis was part of ancient Egypt, not Ancient Greece.
You tell him..
Posted by tim on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 4:49am.
I saw him on a PBS thing..a concert show whose name escapes me...Austin city limits maybe?
Anyway he had a great band and he was wearing like mechanics overalls.
Did a lot of his new stuff which was pretty good and reworked a few Talking Heads thing.
The man is a musical genius...working with Eno didn't hurt either.
--" The torture never stops"--
But didn't the Greeks
Posted by jcharles on Thu, 04/29/2004 - 12:21pm.
take over just about everything around the Mediterranean? At least in a "cultural imperialism" kind of a way?

Maybe they never made it to Memphis. Or perhaps they didn't realize where they were when they arrived.

shenme shenme shenme - It's a cat!
Macedonians, really
Posted by Jon on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 10:02am.
The Greeks were pretty successful at establishing colonies in Asia Minor (Turkey and environs) and Italy, but it was the Macedonians under Alexander the Great that really conquered the most area around the Mediterranean.
(You might think it's a small point, distinguishing Greeks and Macedonians, but there are frequent calls for Macedonia to secede from Greece, and form its own nation. Plus la change and all that.)

Either way, Egypt wasn't the "home" of the Greeks.

Still, as a song lyric, I don't judge it by the same criteria as a history book, so I give it a pass. :^)
Posted by hypoxic on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 10:22am.
I thought that Macedonia wasn't part of Greece rather it was part of Yugoslavia and that it is having issues with Serbia, which runs Yugoslavia. And that is why they were thinking about seceding.
Posted by peegee on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 11:16am.
The Balkan is always complicated. What was Yugoslavia during the cold war up until around 1990 - a conglomerate of several states - has today fallen apart into Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzogovina, Macedonia and Yugoslavia (which consists of former Yugoslavic 'states' Serbia and Montenegro), each of them sovereign states. However, the state Macedonia is not identical with the (ethnic) area of Macedonia, as parts of historical Macedonia ended up in Greece and Bulgaria, after the dissolution of the Turkish-Osmanic Empire in the 1920's. Thus Macedonia wanted to and did secede from the Yugoslavia that emerged after cold war/communist Yugoslavia dissolved, but they have issues with Greece as well. I think they're pretty cool with Bulgaria though. Complicated, eh ?
Did they finally secede then?
Posted by hypoxic on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 12:04pm.
Your right the Balkans are a mess.

How many wars have taken place in that area because of small issues. Scary.

Here's a brief synopsis of Macedonia.
Well, yes
Posted by peegee on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 2:02pm.
They did secede around 1991/92; what took time was for Greece to accept it. What is probably most confusing in this matter is the two Yugoslavias, pre and post 1991, where Macedonia was part of pre-1991 and independent of the post-1991 one. Maybe this map helps a bit.
Isn't it great to have a Dane around...
Posted by ParU on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 8:50pm.
when we need some education on European history/geography? As an addendum I believe the reason that peegee's map shows 'The former Yugoslavia Republic of Macedonia' (and is that a ridiculous name or what?) is because of Greece. Greece claims the 'name' Macedonia cause of Alexander the Great, but is petrified that it's own 'Macedonia' region will want to splinter off (Balkanize - it's actually a verb) and join that 'former Yugoslav...'.
And why should y'all care? Cause a similar situation exists in Iraq (umm, can you say 'current events'?) with regards to the Kurds who claim 'Kurdistan' being part of Iraq, Turkey and Iran.
Speaking radically here, a lot of blood (waaaayyy too much blood) has been shed over this 'nationhood' thing. Most people don't care who 'runs' their country as long as it's safe and they've got work and don't have to fear 'the knock in the night' (Don't take away my quote marks!). Thus you have the entire Palestinean problem of people who are being held 'hostage' by their leadership who likes to use their refugee status to get money.
Why yes, I am an American cynic, how can you tell?
It's Amino world without Chemists
Posted by Matt on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 10:06pm.
Well, right. Because Kurdistan--such as it is--is a region defined by the ethnicity of a people who live within the political borders of the aforementioned three countries. And BTW, the same is true of Kazakstan, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan.

And for the one person reading who might actually find this interesting, "kazak" is the Central Asian (probably Urdu; I'm not sure) word for "gypsy" or "nomad" and kurd (or kord) is the Persian word meaning the same thing.
Posted by peegee on Sat, 05/01/2004 - 4:25am.
I'd be surprised if "kazak" were Urdu; both Persian and Urdu belong to the indo-european languages so I'd expect their words for "gypsy" or "nomad" to be more similar. Maybe it is actually Kazak (as in Kazak, the language spoken in Kazakstan (which is an altaic language related to e.g. Turkish)) ?
Posted by steff on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 10:55pm.
why yes, i DO find that interesting.
Thanks for the clarification...
Posted by Social Neanderthal on Fri, 04/30/2004 - 3:08pm.
That Yugoslavian mess has had me confused for years. The only thing I knew about the place was that once again people were murdering each other in massive numbers and I doubt that any of them really know why.

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Posted by ParU on Mon, 05/03/2004 - 8:46pm.
Believe it or not Kris - that's why you SHOULD know about this history stuff (and you too S. Neanderthal!). Cause past history really does affect the current world. And it's worse in the Balkans where the Serbs are still pissed (Seriously, they are!!) about the 'Turks' (current day Moslems) who defeated them in a battle in I believe it was 1462 (date may be off a little)!!! Would you believe that thousands and thousands of people have been killed there over that battle from over 500 years ago? Talk about living in the past!
Anywho that situation (and many others like it) exists all over the world and affects things like money, lives, trade and everything else. So you may think they're stupid situations, but if a fanatic tries to do something because of it, you had better understand it to be ready. Especially if you travel outside of the US.
It's Amino world without Chemists
Posted by umrguy on Tue, 05/04/2004 - 8:27am.
I heard it was at the latest in the 1300s, ParU, when one of the later Crusades was stopped when the Crusaders were defeated on the plains of Kosovo... and the fighting and hatred hasn't really stopped since.

-There's someone in my head, but it's not me.-
Posted by peegee on Tue, 05/04/2004 - 1:49am.
I think it is a bit more complicated than "we end up in stupid situations, because a bunch of fanatics live in the past and when we go there, we better know what we are dealing with". But I probably misunderstood your point somewhere along the way. Still, Western civilization seems to have a knack for not making an effort to understand the history and culture of other people and instead often displays a tendency to just barge in and want to call the shots. Maybe there is room for improvement.

Which reminds me of a famous person who, when asked "What do you think of Western civilization ?", said: "I think it would be a good idea". It's almost not worth a cool point.
Posted by paul on Tue, 05/04/2004 - 2:10pm.
One of the best insults ever- he slammed an entire hemisphere in one sentence!

paul is not our savior.
paul is known as 'silk' to all who know and love him.
paul is a past master at floating progressive.
paul is that man.
A cool point it is
Posted by peegee on Tue, 05/04/2004 - 3:51pm.
But I wouldn't consider it an insult, rather a well-formed reply to a potentially tactless question.
" Stop Making Sense!
Posted by tim on Mon, 05/03/2004 - 4:38am.
Stop Making Sense, Stop Making Sense Making Sense!!
: D
--" The torture never stops"--
Posted by peegee on Mon, 05/03/2004 - 5:08am.
Never get to say much/never get to talk/tell us a little bit/but not too much
Does anyone go to Memphis purposely?
Posted by Mike on Thu, 04/29/2004 - 9:52am.
Or do people kinda just end up there? I once took a bus trip through Tennessee where the driver got lost in Memphis too. Maybe it gives off amnesia rays or something.

Anyway, I hope he was just hitching a ride, not flying in himself.
There's autopilot, and then there's autopilot...
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